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		<title>Comment on PRSA&#8217;s &#8220;he said/she said&#8221; controversy has me looking for answers by Bill Sledzik</title>
		<link>http://toughsledding.wordpress.com/2009/12/28/prsas-he-saidshe-said-controversy-has-me-looking-for-answers/#comment-18724</link>
		<dc:creator>Bill Sledzik</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Dec 2009 01:47:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To be fair about the Twitter discourse on this topic, PRSA&#039;s Associate VP of Membership did a good job listening to member concerns and responding while still standing her ground. Start at Dec. 23 and scroll back. 

Link: http://twitter.com/myahre</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To be fair about the Twitter discourse on this topic, PRSA&#8217;s Associate VP of Membership did a good job listening to member concerns and responding while still standing her ground. Start at Dec. 23 and scroll back. </p>
<p>Link: <a href="http://twitter.com/myahre" rel="nofollow">http://twitter.com/myahre</a></p>
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		<title>Comment on PRSA&#8217;s &#8220;he said/she said&#8221; controversy has me looking for answers by Bill Sledzik</title>
		<link>http://toughsledding.wordpress.com/2009/12/28/prsas-he-saidshe-said-controversy-has-me-looking-for-answers/#comment-18723</link>
		<dc:creator>Bill Sledzik</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Dec 2009 20:00:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Journalist and PRSA critic &lt;a href=&quot;http://odwyerpr.com&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Jack O&#039;Dwyer&lt;/a&gt; has weighed in on the controversy over the &quot;sunsetting&quot; of MCS. His newsletter is subscription only, but I don&#039;t think he&#039;ll mind if I share with you the lead to his story.

From odwyers.com, Dec. 29, 2009.

PRSA CRITIC BLASTED ON TWITTER

Arthur Yann, VP-PR of the PR Society, replied sharply to member R.D. Waters when Waters &lt;a href=&quot;http://twitter.com/rdwaters/status/6947159733&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;posted on Dec. 22, &lt;/a&gt;“Wow, the Society is taking voting away from minorities/multicultural members…sounds just like the 1800s!”

&lt;a href=&quot;http://twitter.com/arthury/status/6947260759&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Replied Yann:&lt;/a&gt; “Wow…sounds like the most irresponsible, ignorant comment I’ve heard today. Congrats!”

&lt;a href=&quot;http://twitter.com/rdwaters/status/6947595461&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Waters, assistant communications professor at North Carolina State University, then replied: &lt;/a&gt;“It’ll be interesting to see how the PR diversity scholars side on this, not enough $ = no vote, not a decision I’d want on my hands.”

&lt;a href=&quot;http://twitter.com/arthury/status/6947767853&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Yann replied:&lt;/a&gt; “Guess it depends on whether they’re interested hearing the facts or perpetuating half truths.”

As I said early on, I don&#039;t want to take sides in this one until I know the facts. I know and respect both of the folks in this Twitter exchange. But as a PRSA member in good standing, seems to me that Professor Waters deserves better treatment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Journalist and PRSA critic <a href="http://odwyerpr.com" rel="nofollow">Jack O&#8217;Dwyer</a> has weighed in on the controversy over the &#8220;sunsetting&#8221; of MCS. His newsletter is subscription only, but I don&#8217;t think he&#8217;ll mind if I share with you the lead to his story.</p>
<p>From odwyers.com, Dec. 29, 2009.</p>
<p>PRSA CRITIC BLASTED ON TWITTER</p>
<p>Arthur Yann, VP-PR of the PR Society, replied sharply to member R.D. Waters when Waters <a href="http://twitter.com/rdwaters/status/6947159733" rel="nofollow">posted on Dec. 22, </a>“Wow, the Society is taking voting away from minorities/multicultural members…sounds just like the 1800s!”</p>
<p><a href="http://twitter.com/arthury/status/6947260759" rel="nofollow">Replied Yann:</a> “Wow…sounds like the most irresponsible, ignorant comment I’ve heard today. Congrats!”</p>
<p><a href="http://twitter.com/rdwaters/status/6947595461" rel="nofollow">Waters, assistant communications professor at North Carolina State University, then replied: </a>“It’ll be interesting to see how the PR diversity scholars side on this, not enough $ = no vote, not a decision I’d want on my hands.”</p>
<p><a href="http://twitter.com/arthury/status/6947767853" rel="nofollow">Yann replied:</a> “Guess it depends on whether they’re interested hearing the facts or perpetuating half truths.”</p>
<p>As I said early on, I don&#8217;t want to take sides in this one until I know the facts. I know and respect both of the folks in this Twitter exchange. But as a PRSA member in good standing, seems to me that Professor Waters deserves better treatment.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Kent State&#8217;s latest PR problem is in the comic pages! What would you recommend? by Jeff</title>
		<link>http://toughsledding.wordpress.com/2009/06/22/kent-states-latest-pr-problem-is-in-the-comic-pages-what-would-you-recommend/#comment-18721</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Dec 2009 14:11:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>First, most students look more into universities than the funnies. (I&#039;ve worked in a high school guidance office, in a high school in NE Ohio.) Also, Kent State is -mostly- just as selective as any other state school in Ohio. Most students applying to Kent could easily get into Ohio State or any other school. They come to KSU because we have what they want.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First, most students look more into universities than the funnies. (I&#8217;ve worked in a high school guidance office, in a high school in NE Ohio.) Also, Kent State is -mostly- just as selective as any other state school in Ohio. Most students applying to Kent could easily get into Ohio State or any other school. They come to KSU because we have what they want.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Darth Blogger&#8217;s Holiday Writing Rant by Bill Sledzik</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bill Sledzik</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Dec 2009 13:56:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You speak the truth. We can&#039;t lay the shortcomings of our secondary education system on the teachers and administrators alone. Parents and communities have to bear some of the responsibility. And I agree that the lust for $$$ is not just a public college thing -- it&#039;s just the world I live in, therefore the only one I feel qualified to comment on. 

Can we fix it? We&#039;re trying. More than a decade ago, our journalism school created a new freshman-level writing class that is 50% remedial (though we aren&#039;t allowed to use that word, since the state won&#039;t subsidize remedial courses at the college level). We spend a lot of time in this class diagramming sentences and teaching basic lessons such as subject-verb and pronoun-antecedent agreement. 

Should this be necessary at the college level? No. But it would be negligent for us to ignore the problem. Funny, but I passed my J-School writing test with a 93% during my sophomore year. Even though my last formal grammar lesson had been in the 8th grade, I understood the language because 1) I read good writing and 2) I was required to write a lot. 

But as you point out, if students aren&#039;t motivated to do these things, it&#039;s tough to expect miracles at the college level. My solution to the unmotivated is this simple question: &quot;So, kid. Have you considered another major?&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You speak the truth. We can&#8217;t lay the shortcomings of our secondary education system on the teachers and administrators alone. Parents and communities have to bear some of the responsibility. And I agree that the lust for $$$ is not just a public college thing &#8212; it&#8217;s just the world I live in, therefore the only one I feel qualified to comment on. </p>
<p>Can we fix it? We&#8217;re trying. More than a decade ago, our journalism school created a new freshman-level writing class that is 50% remedial (though we aren&#8217;t allowed to use that word, since the state won&#8217;t subsidize remedial courses at the college level). We spend a lot of time in this class diagramming sentences and teaching basic lessons such as subject-verb and pronoun-antecedent agreement. </p>
<p>Should this be necessary at the college level? No. But it would be negligent for us to ignore the problem. Funny, but I passed my J-School writing test with a 93% during my sophomore year. Even though my last formal grammar lesson had been in the 8th grade, I understood the language because 1) I read good writing and 2) I was required to write a lot. </p>
<p>But as you point out, if students aren&#8217;t motivated to do these things, it&#8217;s tough to expect miracles at the college level. My solution to the unmotivated is this simple question: &#8220;So, kid. Have you considered another major?&#8221;</p>
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		<title>Comment on Darth Blogger&#8217;s Holiday Writing Rant by Blair Boone</title>
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		<dc:creator>Blair Boone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Dec 2009 20:08:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bill, don&#039;t single out public colleges and universities for not upholding writing standards, or for needing butts in seats for $$. The privates are just as bad, and in some cases worse. I seem to remember a guy in the White House who could not even speak proper English, yet he held degrees from the two most prestigious private universities in the USA.

Yes, the high schools sending these kids on unprepared are terribly at fault, but there&#039;s also an element of personal responsibility on the part of both the students and their parents. If a student&#039;s too lazy to learn, no amount of outstanding teaching can cure that. If a student&#039;s parents are too shiftless to encourage or even demand better performance, no teacher or university on earth can effect some miraculous change.

Anyone who&#039;s ever stood in front of a class knows that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bill, don&#8217;t single out public colleges and universities for not upholding writing standards, or for needing butts in seats for $$. The privates are just as bad, and in some cases worse. I seem to remember a guy in the White House who could not even speak proper English, yet he held degrees from the two most prestigious private universities in the USA.</p>
<p>Yes, the high schools sending these kids on unprepared are terribly at fault, but there&#8217;s also an element of personal responsibility on the part of both the students and their parents. If a student&#8217;s too lazy to learn, no amount of outstanding teaching can cure that. If a student&#8217;s parents are too shiftless to encourage or even demand better performance, no teacher or university on earth can effect some miraculous change.</p>
<p>Anyone who&#8217;s ever stood in front of a class knows that.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Darth Blogger&#8217;s Holiday Writing Rant by Bill Sledzik</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bill Sledzik</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Dec 2009 16:52:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m convinced that lack of reading by most students is at the core of the writing problem, Bill. I understood news-style writing early on because I read newspapers since I was 10. Too many students today consider that a quaint notion. 

But let&#039;s remember something else: These students got into college because their high schools said they were prepared. And by the time they get to my classes, most will have passed two semesters of college English. At Kent State, a student won&#039;t earn a PR degree without demonstrating solid writing skills. But those who can&#039;t often earn degrees in other communication-related majors. And that&#039;s not just a Kent State thing.

Standards, at least for writing, ain&#039;t what they used to be. In too many state universities these days, the objective is to keep butt$ in $eat$. (I guess that isn&#039;t very subtle, is it?)

Happy holidays to you and yours, Bill. And thanks for being a loyal visitor and contributor to ToughSledding. As for the tree stand, it&#039;s almost always cold up there, but it&#039;s never boring. Mother Nature always offers a little excitement.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m convinced that lack of reading by most students is at the core of the writing problem, Bill. I understood news-style writing early on because I read newspapers since I was 10. Too many students today consider that a quaint notion. </p>
<p>But let&#8217;s remember something else: These students got into college because their high schools said they were prepared. And by the time they get to my classes, most will have passed two semesters of college English. At Kent State, a student won&#8217;t earn a PR degree without demonstrating solid writing skills. But those who can&#8217;t often earn degrees in other communication-related majors. And that&#8217;s not just a Kent State thing.</p>
<p>Standards, at least for writing, ain&#8217;t what they used to be. In too many state universities these days, the objective is to keep butt$ in $eat$. (I guess that isn&#8217;t very subtle, is it?)</p>
<p>Happy holidays to you and yours, Bill. And thanks for being a loyal visitor and contributor to ToughSledding. As for the tree stand, it&#8217;s almost always cold up there, but it&#8217;s never boring. Mother Nature always offers a little excitement.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Darth Blogger&#8217;s Holiday Writing Rant by Bill Huey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bill Huey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Dec 2009 16:29:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Merry Christmas, Bill. Boy, that deer stand looks cold and boring! You should be at home in front of a fire with a glass of something.
When I was teaching, I noticed that students had no feel for written language because they don&#039;t read much. Everything was like, colloquial and conversational, y&#039;know? Thinking in 140 characters or less has only exaggerated that tendency.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Merry Christmas, Bill. Boy, that deer stand looks cold and boring! You should be at home in front of a fire with a glass of something.<br />
When I was teaching, I noticed that students had no feel for written language because they don&#8217;t read much. Everything was like, colloquial and conversational, y&#8217;know? Thinking in 140 characters or less has only exaggerated that tendency.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Darth Blogger&#8217;s Holiday Writing Rant by Bill Sledzik</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bill Sledzik</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Dec 2009 14:16:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Same to you, Steve. Someday we&#039;ll have to get together. I know you don&#039;t need a writing coach, but I can teach you how to roll Christmas presents! It&#039;s an acquired skill. Have a good one!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Same to you, Steve. Someday we&#8217;ll have to get together. I know you don&#8217;t need a writing coach, but I can teach you how to roll Christmas presents! It&#8217;s an acquired skill. Have a good one!</p>
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		<title>Comment on Darth Blogger&#8217;s Holiday Writing Rant by Steve Crescenzo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve Crescenzo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Dec 2009 12:16:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bill: 

Wonderful post. I don&#039;t envy you the job of teaching today&#039;s iPhone-addicted, texting, Twittering, status-updating generation how to string the proper words together. 

But I&#039;m glad someone is up there on that wall, trying to do it. And I&#039;m glad that someone is you. 

Have a great Christmas, now that (one would hope, on Christmas Eve) all the papers are graded. 

Steve C.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bill: </p>
<p>Wonderful post. I don&#8217;t envy you the job of teaching today&#8217;s iPhone-addicted, texting, Twittering, status-updating generation how to string the proper words together. </p>
<p>But I&#8217;m glad someone is up there on that wall, trying to do it. And I&#8217;m glad that someone is you. </p>
<p>Have a great Christmas, now that (one would hope, on Christmas Eve) all the papers are graded. </p>
<p>Steve C.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Darth Blogger&#8217;s Holiday Writing Rant by Marketing $ociologist</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marketing $ociologist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Dec 2009 02:32:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Pronoun-antecedent agreement&quot; - Guilty, &amp; that&#039;s why I read this blog!

Did you cover what every editor has to explain to - in my day they were called &quot;cub reporters&quot;?

It&#039;s &quot;more than&quot; not &quot;over&quot; (or under). Over is a direction, or the end of a show.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Pronoun-antecedent agreement&#8221; &#8211; Guilty, &amp; that&#8217;s why I read this blog!</p>
<p>Did you cover what every editor has to explain to &#8211; in my day they were called &#8220;cub reporters&#8221;?</p>
<p>It&#8217;s &#8220;more than&#8221; not &#8220;over&#8221; (or under). Over is a direction, or the end of a show.</p>
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