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		<title>By: Bill Sledzik</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bill Sledzik</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jun 2008 12:48:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great points, all, Jason.  Those writers on your &quot;pleasure reading&quot; list all know how to turn a phrase, and reading them will certainly improve your writing style.  They are the storytellers who write the page turners.  I&#039;ve taken a few of them with me to the beach myself, but I&#039;m not sure Koontz, et.al., will stand the test of time when it comes to &quot;great literature.&quot;  

Like you, I eschewed the &quot;classics&quot; until shorty after I turned 40.  I decided it was time to take them in, and I have been working on that ever since.  (I include among my &quot;classics&quot; everything from &quot;Robinson Crusoe&quot; to &quot;Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas.&quot;  I have a liberal definition of &quot;classic,&quot; OK? I love 19th Century American Lit, my fav being Steven Crane.)  But you didn&#039;t need that mini-lecture, did you?

By the way, boys are NOT cut from the same cloth as girls, and I think most sociology research will bear me our on that.  There is a difference in how men and women approach tasks and life.  Some if biological, more of it is sociological. That&#039;s why we must strive for diversity in our field.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great points, all, Jason.  Those writers on your &#8220;pleasure reading&#8221; list all know how to turn a phrase, and reading them will certainly improve your writing style.  They are the storytellers who write the page turners.  I&#8217;ve taken a few of them with me to the beach myself, but I&#8217;m not sure Koontz, et.al., will stand the test of time when it comes to &#8220;great literature.&#8221;  </p>
<p>Like you, I eschewed the &#8220;classics&#8221; until shorty after I turned 40.  I decided it was time to take them in, and I have been working on that ever since.  (I include among my &#8220;classics&#8221; everything from &#8220;Robinson Crusoe&#8221; to &#8220;Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas.&#8221;  I have a liberal definition of &#8220;classic,&#8221; OK? I love 19th Century American Lit, my fav being Steven Crane.)  But you didn&#8217;t need that mini-lecture, did you?</p>
<p>By the way, boys are NOT cut from the same cloth as girls, and I think most sociology research will bear me our on that.  There is a difference in how men and women approach tasks and life.  Some if biological, more of it is sociological. That&#8217;s why we must strive for diversity in our field.</p>
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		<title>By: Jason G.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jason G.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jun 2008 05:23:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a 21-year-old PR major University of Miami, this article was very interesting. I&#039;ll be starting my senior year this fall, and as I begin to reflect on my time there I really do see the startling gender gap within the business of PR.

However, I don&#039;t really mind it. In fact, I&#039;ve found that I greatly enjoy working with young women, particularly in group projects. I&#039;ve found my female peers to be highly organized, highly flexible and consistently willing to communicate on all levels.

Not to say that men aren&#039;t cut from the same cloth, but this whole &quot;girls are more organized and better communicators&quot; stereotype has certainly rings true in my experience. If working in the &quot;real world&quot; after graduation leads to much of the same, I&#039;ll be one happy camper.

Last but not least, I have a theory about the whole &quot;can&#039;t-write-for-shit&quot; phenomena. We all know that reading for pleasure leads to better writing. However, there is a real dearth of good literature for kids and teens in schools.

Instead of choosing from the wide array of Young Adult literature out there -- much of it written in an easy style that is meant to engage readers from the first page -- schools insist on relying on old classics. I love &quot;Catcher and the Rye&quot; as much as the next guy, but some of the other crap I read was a real snore.

I didn&#039;t pick up a book for pleasure until I was a sophomore in college. Always a horror fan, I looked for books that reflected that. From there I discovered Anne Rice, Dean Koontz, Doug Preston and Lincoln Child, as well as some old Stephen King. Lo and behold, my writing improved. 

Coincidence? I think not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a 21-year-old PR major University of Miami, this article was very interesting. I&#8217;ll be starting my senior year this fall, and as I begin to reflect on my time there I really do see the startling gender gap within the business of PR.</p>
<p>However, I don&#8217;t really mind it. In fact, I&#8217;ve found that I greatly enjoy working with young women, particularly in group projects. I&#8217;ve found my female peers to be highly organized, highly flexible and consistently willing to communicate on all levels.</p>
<p>Not to say that men aren&#8217;t cut from the same cloth, but this whole &#8220;girls are more organized and better communicators&#8221; stereotype has certainly rings true in my experience. If working in the &#8220;real world&#8221; after graduation leads to much of the same, I&#8217;ll be one happy camper.</p>
<p>Last but not least, I have a theory about the whole &#8220;can&#8217;t-write-for-shit&#8221; phenomena. We all know that reading for pleasure leads to better writing. However, there is a real dearth of good literature for kids and teens in schools.</p>
<p>Instead of choosing from the wide array of Young Adult literature out there &#8212; much of it written in an easy style that is meant to engage readers from the first page &#8212; schools insist on relying on old classics. I love &#8220;Catcher and the Rye&#8221; as much as the next guy, but some of the other crap I read was a real snore.</p>
<p>I didn&#8217;t pick up a book for pleasure until I was a sophomore in college. Always a horror fan, I looked for books that reflected that. From there I discovered Anne Rice, Dean Koontz, Doug Preston and Lincoln Child, as well as some old Stephen King. Lo and behold, my writing improved. </p>
<p>Coincidence? I think not.</p>
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		<title>By: Scott Lansing</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scott Lansing</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jun 2008 00:05:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I stumbled upon this discussion several minutes after registering with PR Open Mic today. Granted it&#039;s a month old, I assume the disproportion on men to women in PR is still very much present in the profession.

As a student recruiter for the UO I can&#039;t tell you the number of young high schoolers who didn&#039;t know what PR was. But I can tell you at least a third of the young men interested in joining the College of Business wanted to study advertising. I told them that &quot;advertising is actually part of the School of Journalism and Communication. I started out as an Ad major but switched my focus to PR because I&#039;m interested in strategic writing.&quot; I think there are many who want the glory of the industry without putting in the meticulous effort.

My 6th grade writing teacher told me I was a &quot;bad writer,&quot; so I got better. My high school history teacher emphasized concise writing in her class, which honed my skills for college (I later learned she worked in Advertising prior to teaching, so maybe that has something to do with my affinity for strategic communication). PR doesn&#039;t have to be taught at an early age; better writing practices do. Then introduce the occupational paths to professional writing, aside from shooting for the next Great American Novel.

In my PR Planning &amp; Problems course I was one of 16 students with a &quot;Y&quot; chromosome. When asked &quot;why PR?&quot; I gave my usual answer: &quot;crisis communication...public outreach...continue honing my writing skills.&quot; 

A number of the young women in the class (and the entire major) were interested in entertainment PR, perhaps inspired by the offal -- waste and/or unused parts of a butchered animal -- MTV program &quot;PR Girls,&quot; which meant to glorify entertainment PR while in reality damaged the industry in the eyes of today&#039;s twenty-somethings. (The word &quot;awful,&quot; although an adjective, just wasn&#039;t enough to describe that program like the noun used in its place.)

While PR practitioners spend so much time promoting and publicizing their clients, there&#039;s a lack of energy dedicated to promoting the profession itself. Even if more men choose advertising and marketing over PR, I think people need a refresher course on the industry in order to steer away from the spin-doctoring perception that many hold.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I stumbled upon this discussion several minutes after registering with PR Open Mic today. Granted it&#8217;s a month old, I assume the disproportion on men to women in PR is still very much present in the profession.</p>
<p>As a student recruiter for the UO I can&#8217;t tell you the number of young high schoolers who didn&#8217;t know what PR was. But I can tell you at least a third of the young men interested in joining the College of Business wanted to study advertising. I told them that &#8220;advertising is actually part of the School of Journalism and Communication. I started out as an Ad major but switched my focus to PR because I&#8217;m interested in strategic writing.&#8221; I think there are many who want the glory of the industry without putting in the meticulous effort.</p>
<p>My 6th grade writing teacher told me I was a &#8220;bad writer,&#8221; so I got better. My high school history teacher emphasized concise writing in her class, which honed my skills for college (I later learned she worked in Advertising prior to teaching, so maybe that has something to do with my affinity for strategic communication). PR doesn&#8217;t have to be taught at an early age; better writing practices do. Then introduce the occupational paths to professional writing, aside from shooting for the next Great American Novel.</p>
<p>In my PR Planning &amp; Problems course I was one of 16 students with a &#8220;Y&#8221; chromosome. When asked &#8220;why PR?&#8221; I gave my usual answer: &#8220;crisis communication&#8230;public outreach&#8230;continue honing my writing skills.&#8221; </p>
<p>A number of the young women in the class (and the entire major) were interested in entertainment PR, perhaps inspired by the offal &#8212; waste and/or unused parts of a butchered animal &#8212; MTV program &#8220;PR Girls,&#8221; which meant to glorify entertainment PR while in reality damaged the industry in the eyes of today&#8217;s twenty-somethings. (The word &#8220;awful,&#8221; although an adjective, just wasn&#8217;t enough to describe that program like the noun used in its place.)</p>
<p>While PR practitioners spend so much time promoting and publicizing their clients, there&#8217;s a lack of energy dedicated to promoting the profession itself. Even if more men choose advertising and marketing over PR, I think people need a refresher course on the industry in order to steer away from the spin-doctoring perception that many hold.</p>
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		<title>By: Bill Sledzik</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bill Sledzik</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 May 2008 11:26:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not the worst idea, Tommy.  But I think the folks in the affirmative action office would have a cow if we proposed giving hiring preference to men.  Also, men are NOT underrepresented on our faculty.  It&#039;s 50-50 -- at least for now.  But keep in mind that when our older faculty started in the business, PR was 70-30 in favor or men.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not the worst idea, Tommy.  But I think the folks in the affirmative action office would have a cow if we proposed giving hiring preference to men.  Also, men are NOT underrepresented on our faculty.  It&#8217;s 50-50 &#8212; at least for now.  But keep in mind that when our older faculty started in the business, PR was 70-30 in favor or men.</p>
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		<title>By: Tommy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tommy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 May 2008 02:12:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why don&#039;t you hire some more male professors in the PR sequence at KSU? It might give the impression that the department is welcoming to males and the there are several opportunities for males in the field.

Just my two cents.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why don&#8217;t you hire some more male professors in the PR sequence at KSU? It might give the impression that the department is welcoming to males and the there are several opportunities for males in the field.</p>
<p>Just my two cents.</p>
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		<title>By: April Samuelson</title>
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		<dc:creator>April Samuelson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 May 2008 15:58:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A lot of the people in the PR major switched from something else. The thing I noticed is that there are a lot of ex ____________ design majors who realized they can&#039;t draw or don&#039;t want their life consumed by studio and still want to do something creative. The other big group seemed  to be ex broadcast journalism students who were pretty much told they didn&#039;t have the x factor, or found their major to be a little too all-consuming. They want to A. graduated on time B. do something journalism related, but aren&#039;t drawn to the nitty gritty world of newspapers (and they want something that will make them money.)
Maybe talk to the students who switched to PR from something else and find out why, and apply that to similar, but male-dominated majors (architecture.)

I can&#039;t really see recruiting marketing majors because they&#039;re more people who would be bsa and want to just be a paper pusher in the corporate world, but are avoiding the math-heavy part of the bsa major. Writing a lot doesn&#039;t appeal to these groups. I think since the new marketing sequence is a lot more similar to ours, you should pay attention to if students are embracing it, and if so, which ones. 

I&#039;d go after international relations majors.....a lot of them go after that major for the same reasons people are drawn to pr and many of them have misconceptions as to what jobs come with an international relations degree (many list pr jobs).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A lot of the people in the PR major switched from something else. The thing I noticed is that there are a lot of ex ____________ design majors who realized they can&#8217;t draw or don&#8217;t want their life consumed by studio and still want to do something creative. The other big group seemed  to be ex broadcast journalism students who were pretty much told they didn&#8217;t have the x factor, or found their major to be a little too all-consuming. They want to A. graduated on time B. do something journalism related, but aren&#8217;t drawn to the nitty gritty world of newspapers (and they want something that will make them money.)<br />
Maybe talk to the students who switched to PR from something else and find out why, and apply that to similar, but male-dominated majors (architecture.)</p>
<p>I can&#8217;t really see recruiting marketing majors because they&#8217;re more people who would be bsa and want to just be a paper pusher in the corporate world, but are avoiding the math-heavy part of the bsa major. Writing a lot doesn&#8217;t appeal to these groups. I think since the new marketing sequence is a lot more similar to ours, you should pay attention to if students are embracing it, and if so, which ones. </p>
<p>I&#8217;d go after international relations majors&#8230;..a lot of them go after that major for the same reasons people are drawn to pr and many of them have misconceptions as to what jobs come with an international relations degree (many list pr jobs).</p>
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		<title>By: Hannah Smith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hannah Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 May 2008 17:03:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is important to have a diversity of students in public relations because you need people interested in different types of types of PR. Many women are attracted to the public relations program at my university  because they want to perform celebrity PR or plan parties. They have the perception that this is primarily what PRos do. I think if we can change that reputation, and demonstrate that public relations encompasses a wider scope, then  programs will benefit from both women and men with a wider range of interests.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is important to have a diversity of students in public relations because you need people interested in different types of types of PR. Many women are attracted to the public relations program at my university  because they want to perform celebrity PR or plan parties. They have the perception that this is primarily what PRos do. I think if we can change that reputation, and demonstrate that public relations encompasses a wider scope, then  programs will benefit from both women and men with a wider range of interests.</p>
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		<title>By: Bill Sledzik</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bill Sledzik</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 May 2008 14:31:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>James makes a great point.  The PR majors who embrace the technology (versus those who simply use it, as I do), tend to be more marketable once they leave the university.  I&#039;d like to agree with you that men are more drawn to technical tools of PR, but we have so few men in the major here at Kent that  I just can&#039;t say.  The most tech-savvy graduate I&#039;ve seen in my classes is a woman who ended up as the Web content administrator for a major corporation. 

Greg raises a concern about our programs becoming too vocational.  We don&#039;t have that debate at Kent State, as we opted long ago to be a &quot;professional program.&quot; Our colleagues in academe often view us as a &quot;technical school,&quot; but employers view us as source of entry-level professionals who can (pardon the cliche) &quot;hit to ground running.&quot; Our classroom experiences here are very much real-world and hands-on, just like the faculty who teach them.  It works for us, but you need administrators who understand professional education and are willing to offer tenure-track positions to people without PhD&#039;s.  Tough sell. 

A 92% placement rate leads to legions of happy alumni.  Now, if only those happy grads would reach for their checkbooks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>James makes a great point.  The PR majors who embrace the technology (versus those who simply use it, as I do), tend to be more marketable once they leave the university.  I&#8217;d like to agree with you that men are more drawn to technical tools of PR, but we have so few men in the major here at Kent that  I just can&#8217;t say.  The most tech-savvy graduate I&#8217;ve seen in my classes is a woman who ended up as the Web content administrator for a major corporation. </p>
<p>Greg raises a concern about our programs becoming too vocational.  We don&#8217;t have that debate at Kent State, as we opted long ago to be a &#8220;professional program.&#8221; Our colleagues in academe often view us as a &#8220;technical school,&#8221; but employers view us as source of entry-level professionals who can (pardon the cliche) &#8220;hit to ground running.&#8221; Our classroom experiences here are very much real-world and hands-on, just like the faculty who teach them.  It works for us, but you need administrators who understand professional education and are willing to offer tenure-track positions to people without PhD&#8217;s.  Tough sell. </p>
<p>A 92% placement rate leads to legions of happy alumni.  Now, if only those happy grads would reach for their checkbooks.</p>
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		<title>By: Greg Smith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Greg Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 May 2008 05:43:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Seems we&#039;ve gone off on a &quot;students can&#039;t write&quot; tangent. That&#039;s so true. It&#039;s the biggest problem here in Australia, too. But what is also interesting is that like you in the US, we also don&#039;t seem to promote ourselves. 

Also, many students undertake PR because they see it as an easy/soft option. Consequently we get stuck with an over supply of lazy students (i.e., those who can&#039;t write and can&#039;t see the value in it). It doesn&#039;t help when PR is position in &quot;creative&quot; Schools, rather than with business. 

At next Sunday&#039;s career&#039;s day I&#039;ll be doing my bit to emphasise the writing aspect. Meantime, we continue to develop new units, including &quot;writing for PR&quot; and &quot;working with the media&quot;. These courses, however, are vocational and more suited to technical colleges. The dilemma is that employers expect students to be job-ready..

So we are moving from the why to the how.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Seems we&#8217;ve gone off on a &#8220;students can&#8217;t write&#8221; tangent. That&#8217;s so true. It&#8217;s the biggest problem here in Australia, too. But what is also interesting is that like you in the US, we also don&#8217;t seem to promote ourselves. </p>
<p>Also, many students undertake PR because they see it as an easy/soft option. Consequently we get stuck with an over supply of lazy students (i.e., those who can&#8217;t write and can&#8217;t see the value in it). It doesn&#8217;t help when PR is position in &#8220;creative&#8221; Schools, rather than with business. </p>
<p>At next Sunday&#8217;s career&#8217;s day I&#8217;ll be doing my bit to emphasise the writing aspect. Meantime, we continue to develop new units, including &#8220;writing for PR&#8221; and &#8220;working with the media&#8221;. These courses, however, are vocational and more suited to technical colleges. The dilemma is that employers expect students to be job-ready..</p>
<p>So we are moving from the why to the how.</p>
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		<title>By: James Connors</title>
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		<dc:creator>James Connors</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 May 2008 22:42:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think that we&#039;ll see a shift in PR in the near term.  I&#039;m a business major, Finance and Management Information Systems, but I&#039;m now learning that I can use my technology skills to enable public relations campaigns in the Social Media space more and more.  

I would look to technically minded men to make an appearance on this scene.  Perhaps, there needs to be a move in formal PR curriculums and schools to develop these sorts of programs and find new ways to market the major in general.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that we&#8217;ll see a shift in PR in the near term.  I&#8217;m a business major, Finance and Management Information Systems, but I&#8217;m now learning that I can use my technology skills to enable public relations campaigns in the Social Media space more and more.  </p>
<p>I would look to technically minded men to make an appearance on this scene.  Perhaps, there needs to be a move in formal PR curriculums and schools to develop these sorts of programs and find new ways to market the major in general.</p>
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